Is the field of ecology always synonymous with these dark, doomy, ominous discussions? Or is that only because it's coupled with this late stage, overshoot situation of massive energy surplus from the carbon pulse? I mean, ecology and ecological conversations are beautiful and interesting and relevant. It's almost like ecologists in the tortoise and the hair race are the tortoises and the world is caught up to this story. But I love ecology, but this is a roundtable with three preeminent ecological thinkers. It's heavy stuff. It's not for the faint of heart. Well, again, I hate to jump in, but it is beautiful. The intricacy, the mind

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