Leslie: How often do you work with us cos or leaders of businesses like what i want? Lesley: It's been my experience that a lot of times they don't really want to internalize that. Lesly: Sometimes people listen very deeply, but a lot of people who are successful and who have egos,. They really just want their own ideas confirmed by the person they consider to be the master of it. Leslie: If you're going to see george raveling again, let me know because i've never met him in real life.