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Is There a Gap Between Self-Perception and Influence?
The usual strategy of just stone walling which they effectively tried to do in some pretty interesting ways it just didn't work and it made it worse for them you know. I think that's so interesting about this conversation I suppose is one of the things in megachurches that is like a huge deal to their senior leaders is that they are going to become so big, successful and influential. It feels like there might be a gap between the self-perception of how everyone's experiencing them versus like the actual perception of how maybe people are outside or experiencing. Like this is the like internal narrative is. Right.