Pairing cold with breathing light is my current best form of meditation. I've done a couple of sessions and had a couple of like quite interesting experiences with Jamie Clemens breath. You should get him on the, you know, I'll send you his. What's his, don't forget his Instagram now, breath space or breath underscore space. And he could be another good person to do it as well butteco co-founder James nesting was talking about that in an interview earlier this year. But there's not really any research I'd like to know more. So I don't know how far he's got with it.

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