The way that weare producing meat at the moment in the modern world is, is anything far frm from healthy. People think all meats safe, it's healthy. But they're really not any more. This is what you've been sort of screaming out very clearly in your books since, since, since the eighties and it's big news. You don't have to be a particularly empathic human actually, to be appalled by it if you see it,. If the bail is somehow lifted and you get to see it. The industry knows that, and so because of that, once very, very diligently to make sure you don't see it.

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