I think everyone would agree that the primary problem with the standard American diet or standard Western diet is 60% of calories are coming from ultra processed foods. And I always come back to the fact that if you do look at the average APO B containing or APO B level across America, it's high. Are there healthy diets that are primarily animal based that have good fiber contents and good vegetable content? I would argue there are. Just by saying it's plant based doesn't make it healthy.

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