The Importance of Thinking Outside the Box

Clifford: I think it's just a matter of once again just trying to break out of the box about people saying but no I appreciate you letting me come on because like I said it, you know, now that I'm feeling feisty again I'm ready to talk about the talk about the controversial things in our industry. It's rooted in science, it's not like I'm just like throwing it at the wall and see what sticks. So yeah, you have to push through discomfort, but so long as you do that, it's still a very evidence based approach.

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