The Transformation of Ukraine

The idea of Russia subordinating them is now totally off the table and that there will be a Ukraine to rebuild. I think we can even say in many ways Ukraine already has won this war because they've shown Russia to be much weaker than everyone thought. EU membership is also not a rapid process. It can take 10, 15 years. People are talking about 2030. Do you think that's realistic? Yeah, I don't know. I think anything is possible, right? They can fast track it if they want to.