In the book, vor otos, we spent about 20 pages on the manipulation argument. The main response that dan ies to the manipulation argument is that these are cases where they are external agents. Graze: In fact, i give examples where there is manipulation, or at least determination in ways that may intuitively undermine a moreal responsibility. And for the compatiblis, they're caused, right? They're causally determined. Well, they know it, right? If you're assuming determinism, ife your not assuming determinism, then we're talking about something else, says Graze.