Nlii: It feels to me that when you herd ta munich security conference, and this american official was saying, while obes russia is going to be able to conquer most of your crane very quickly. What would it look like for you crane to win the war? And what kind of action does it take from western nations otus to empower you claim to do so.? Nlii: You're exactly right. The Americanans believed that it would be over quickly. But i think, first of all, through more and better weapons,. Where are the enormous supply s of food and help? That we should be offering to mariopol and other cities that are under
Anne Applebaum is a staff writer for The Atlantic and a Senior Fellow of the Agora Institute at Johns Hopkins University. In her books - most notably Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine and Iron Curtain: The Crushing of Eastern Europe she has chronicled the terrible human costs of past attempts by Russia to dominate countries in Central and Eastern Europe.
In this week’s conversation, Anne Applebaum and Yascha Mounk discuss the developing ideology of "Putinism," what it would look like for Ukraine to win the war, and how democracies can defend their values in a world of resurgent authoritarianism.
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