What Does the Nature of Pleasure Mean?

"I don't think that all self-evident truths are necessarily equally certain" "If we're prepared to talk about values it means that the universe is a better place if it has more of it in it" 'There aren't intermediate steps. It's through reflection on the nature of pleasure that we conclude that it's good' I want to say that we can we can imagine different universes some with lots of pleasurable experiences in them and others with lots of painful experiences no pleasurable ones, he says.