Dane: One of my heroes and mentors was a martin gardner, who was one of the founders of the modern sceptical movement. He made an argument that he called fidiism, that if you have an issue that cannot be resolved ultimately, either through reason or empiricism, you can make a leap of faith as it were. Dane wanted to say something w well, i was going to say. Grg gregg a, your opening comments made me think of kind of a pragmatic approach, a pragmatism approach to the issue. But society wis we should assume determinism because it's better for for a practical outcome im to assume determinism or assume free will