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Fan favorite, James Madden, has a brand new project with his brilliant co-host Jared Zimmerer called The Great Dangerous Books Podcast. Check out this episode to catch the vibe of the show, and if you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe so you never miss an episode. 

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In this episode, Jim and Jared discuss the complexities of the UFO phenomenon with special guest Kelly Chase, focusing on Jacques Vallee's influential work 'Messengers of Deception.' They explore themes of manipulation, the unconscious, and the power of images in shaping belief systems. The conversation delves into the psychological impact of UFO experiences, the dangers of ontological shock, and the need for critical thinking in the field of ufology. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of self-awareness and the challenges of integrating extraordinary experiences into one's worldview.

TIMESTAMPS

01:28 Introducing Kelly Chase and Her Work

03:09 Exploring Jacques Vallee's 'Messengers of Deception'

05:17 Vallee's Perspective on UFOs and Manipulation

09:47 The Reliability of Jacques Vallee

12:05 The Nature of Reality and Ideological Structures

15:04 The Impact of Ontological Shock

18:45 The Role of the Unconscious in UFO Phenomena

22:08 The Dangers of Manipulation and Belief Systems

27:44 Connecting Modernity and Public Manipulation

32:56 The Internet's Oppenheimer: Valet's Perspective

35:32 The Power of Images and Human Manipulation

39:57 Gnosticism and the Quest for Knowledge

44:05 The Nature of UFO Phenomena and Human Belief

47:35 The Intersection of Science and Mythology

52:11 Critical Inquiry and the Nature of Belief

55:32 The Joy of Inquiry and the Dangers of Ufology

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