The first version of the device was just a little chipboard. It had no case, no user interface or buttons on a computer screen. So it was definitely iterative, not necessarily in a garage because with an FDA product, there's a lot of guidelines. If you're running electricity through people's bodies, probably can't just wing it, you know. That's right. But it's a team effort. I mean, electrical, mechanical, industrial design, user, you know, people who have real expertise and user experience. And then there's a fascinating process of actually putting it in front of users to see what feedback do you have? Is any of this clunky or difficult

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