258: How To Underthrow The Government - Max Borders
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The Limitations of Reform and the Need for Exit
The chapter discusses the limitations of policy and election as methods of creating societal change, emphasizing the need to leave and create something new. It explores concepts like voice, exit, and loyalty, highlighting the effectiveness of exiting products or countries. The chapter also touches upon the idea of exiting into the digital realm through cryptographic technologies.
TODAY'S CONVERSATION WITH MAX BORDERS
- Listen to Max describe how he followed his yearning to use creativity and entrepreneurship to affect societal change to write about the topic of decentralization.
- Hear Max explain how he hopes to inspire people to underthrow the government, using what he refers to as “subversive innovation”
- Max and I discuss how many libertarians often find themselves stuck thinking about policy while neglecting to make the needed changes in their own lives
- Tune in to hear Max’s breakdown of the 3 options for affecting change in society and which he feels is superior
- Listen to Max describe how governments have evolved from sovereign entities into an “extended politburo” run by government and corporate interests.
- Learn about Max’s “Constitution of Consent” contest and how he aims for it to inspire real-life experiments in decentralized self-governance.
- Hear Max lay out his ideas of just how we can navigate this era of unreason and untruth by implementing the ideas he discusses.
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Head to Underthrow.org to find Max’s writing and the Constitution of Consent contest Follow Max Borders on TwitterCONCLUSION
I had a blast talking to Max about his ideas, and I simply love that his focus is all about how to make them work in the real world, not simply in hypothetical fantasyland. As I often discuss, far too many great, freedom-loving libertarians that I run into wind up stuck in the realms of philosophy and policy. This program and my work as an expat consultant are all about taking actionable steps to achieve more liberty for yourself and your family, and I’m glad that Max’s ideas fall right in line with that. I hope all enjoyed this conversation as much as I did!Mentioned in this episode:
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