Speaker 3
I'm not one to, it is weird because I think Bijon Robinson is worthy just in the sense of his ability to be a top 10, top 15 pick. But I still don't think the value of running back just matches up well and is it as important to really turn around there as on the Cardinals and what's going on. Do you think it is this magic pill of, hey, let's go get this three-down back out of Texas and that's going to change everything that's going on or do you think there's other things that I outside looking in think some of it has to do with the guy who's leading the team. And that's Colin Murray. I know he's hurt right now, but even when he's in there, something feels off, something doesn't feel right. We see the kind of backup for between him and his head coach, Cliff Kingsbury. The way that this season has gone, can we directly point to Colin Murray and how he handles himself, how he carries himself, the leader that he is or is it, or do you think it's a multitude of things. TBD, and it sucks that we're
Speaker 2
going into year five and it's still to be determined. Like, I am in the camp that Kyla Murray is going at this in open waters on his own without a life raft. Like, I think he's himself had to play football at an NFL level. And yes, he probably can be a little bit more demonstrative in a positive way. Yes, he's got some growing to do in the leadership, in the leadership realm of this. But look at what happened in New York this year with Daniel Jones. Look at what happened with Doug Peterson and Trevor Lawrence. Kyla Murray is going, is fighting an uphill battle by himself, in my opinion. So yeah, I mean, and that's just another storyline, man, that we're dealing with that looking to the, you know, to Northern California is something that was much maligned for me on this podcast. Like, they're overhyped for no reason. They're like, you know, they're like Notre Dame and, and the Cowboys and whatever. And then Kyle Shanahan has grown into being an elite head coach. He wasn't initially. I think you can, you can attest to that as well, especially when they won less than four games and then he made the Super Bowl the next year. He got better every year. And Cliff Kingsbury plateaued after 2020. And it was, you know, marred by this seven and oh, start and ten and two start last year that made him look a lot better than I think he is not only as a head coach, but as a mentor for Kyla Murray.
Speaker 1
No, I think you nailed it. Yeah. And Kyle Shanahan definitely had some growing pains. And, and so did John Lynch when they came in together, both first and then on the job in those positions, they made some mistakes. They got better and, and they built themselves a pretty nasty powerhouse team where you could plug in a seventh round quarterback that looks as good as Brock pretty does right now. It's pretty phenomenal what what Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch have done. And they're going to be on the tops of lists for coach and executive of the year for the reason. And I think that's what you have to point to with the Arizona Cardinals, right? Is even beyond Kyle Murray, it's, it's above that. It's the decision makers, it's the head coach and it's probably the right time to tear it all down. There's going to be more growing pains next year with the, the Kyle Murray injury and how long that goes into the season. But you've got to build, I think you got to build a better foundation with the Cardinals. I think that's just the, the clearest thing. And you're not going to bring in a running back and, and move the needle at all. Organizational Arizona Cardinals.
Speaker 2
Look at what the 49ers have done. I mean, look at what you got. Look at what they've done. I mean, Javan Kenlon maybe wasn't the best move by John Lynch trading, trading away to Forest Buckner. But I mean, Nick Bose said to, you could have picked Nick Bose or Quinn Williams and in both what a worked out Nick Bose is obviously the leader in the clubhouse right now because he's, you know, when he's on the field, he's a, he's more of an impact maker off the edge, but like, build the lines. So what the Cardinals haven't done. And this is something that they're reaping what they've sowed at this point. And we're looking in week 18 with them winning less than five games. It's like, you can kind of be predictive. Now, I've talked this whole time, biggest storylines for you getting in here. I mean, you're the 49ers are in a position to have an outside chance to get the number one overall seed. Correct. If the pins fall correctly, what, who is Brock Purdy and why is this
Speaker 1
happening? Yeah. So for those that don't know, it's simple for the 49ers to get the one seed, they win Eagles lose. And they get the one seed. The Niners can still end up with one, two or three in the NFC. And with the Cowboys and the Eagles, Eagles could go one, two or five Cowboys could go one, two or five as well. Still, but Brock Purdy, I don't know what, like what's the I always go back to, I think it was after Brock Purdy's first start, it was against Tom Brady and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And after the game, one of the reporters asked, I'm paraphrasing what's what is happening right now? Why are you so good? He's like, Oh, I don't know, I just do what the coach tells me to do. And it was just like, you know, and Kyle Shanahan's over there just like, yes, finally got one of those. This, you know, he's he's Jimmy Garoppolo, like the way I describe to someone who's never seen Brock Purdy play is like, if you've seen Jimmy Garoppolo play, imagine if like how valuable, how good a quarterback would Jimmy Garoppolo be, if he's like, okay, you have Jimmy Garoppolo plus takes a little bit, a couple more chances in and throws a better deep ball and makes some bigger plays can get out of the pocket a little bit more and make some off off schedule throws and, you know, off platform throws and turns the ball over a little bit less.
Speaker 2
That's a pretty damn good quarterback. And that's all 10 years younger also, isn't he? I mean, he was five or six years younger. Yeah.
Speaker 1
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With me with
Speaker 2
him and I know we're going longer. Sorry, Ross, but like, with this always happens. You should know this by now with four diners and Cardinals is it was it was the double screen fake touchdown throw to George Kittle. Like that was, was that against Seattle? Yes. That was it was it was the it was the dump off right dump off left fake George Kittle wide open in the middle of the ends or right in the middle of the field. He is going to be a product of this system that is now so solidified that anybody could run it. And if that's not taking away from rock perdee, he's off to execute. You got the defense got the run game got the offensive line. All he needs to do is not make mistakes. And they're going to flourish. He's going to have time and that just showed. I mean, that play call it of itself. I just turned the game off. I'm like, I don't need to see anything else. But like that just showed me that like he's just a product and executing properly the system that's put in place for in the run.
Speaker 3
I did see a tweet right before we came on here and on Twitter, her name is Sid the catfish. And she kind of alluded to what you were saying there by saying, hey, like, you know, the whole notion that you could put any quarterback on this offense and they'll excel is tiring. Is that really true? Or is it just a way to downplay how well rock perdee's playing? And I did respond to that and I said, it's it's kind of a combination of both. It could be cool. When you watch it and a lot of some of the explosive plays and things like that, it's like, the guys are wide open, but we have seen guys open for other quarterbacks and maybe they don't see it and or maybe they missed the throw. And I think more than any other quarterback that we've seen consistently play for the 49ers, I think he's done a better job of being more consistent with making those throws and seeing them. There's still here, you know, one here and there. If you watch all 22 and don't know exactly what his reads are, but for the most part, when that person is opening down the field, he gets it to him. He doesn't have the biggest arm, but if a guy's opening you delivered on time, you don't need the biggest arm for that. Now, I think he does a good job of really you start talking about, you know, Kyle Shanahan and his impact and faking left faking right, throwing into George Kittle. And some of the things he's asking him to do, Kyle has said it before or one of his coaches, the quarterback doesn't make this system, the system makes the quarterback. So if you could just find the quarterback that the system can make and he can excel and then make a play here and there off script, you have a damn good quarterback. And I think that's what Brock Purdy's been doing.
Speaker 1
Absolutely. He's hitting the layups, but he's making a few plays too. And he's he's been impressive in that regard, being able to get out of the pocket and do more than I would have expected, which has been so fun. And to be honest with you, with now seeing more and more games and he still hasn't, you know, he saw him turn into that pumpkin, which was like after the first game, you're like, maybe let's see what else with Brock Purdy. He's playing some of the best ball. Really, he's played the best quarterback that Kyle Shanahan's had in five years. He's a rookie seventh round pick.
