In this episode Caroline and Liz examine what happened to Baby E, a premature twin boy who Lucy Letby allegedly attacked with a plastic medical tube or wire before she murdered him. We hear from his mother, who the prosecution say, interrupted the nurse while she was attacking her son, and about more text messages Lucy Letby exchanged with colleagues after his death.

We also chat to former Old Bailey court reporter and media law expert Tim Crook, professor of journalism at London's Goldsmiths University, about why court reporting is still important in the modern era.

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