Jonathan was diagnosed as lactose intolerant more than 20 years ago when he had these food intolerances in his early 20s. And my understanding was that I therefore had to give up all dairy. But there's loads of dairy products that contain very little lactose at all. So for example, if you're eating a hard cheese or even quite a lot of yogurt, these have much lower levels of lactose. Jonathan: Restrictive diets really don't turn out to be the solution to these problems. At the end of the day, they're in many cases going to make your gut health worse. What we want is an approach where we can lean into these foods, overcome the food