Debating the Role of Innovation and Subsidies in Ultra-Processed Foods

In this episode of the new Outlier Health Podcast, Matt Frazier and Matt Tullman dive into the media's favorite new term for attacking plant-based meats: ultra-processed food, or UPF. But if ultra-processed foods are the main problem with modern diets, does this mean foods that are just processed (not ultra) — kitchen staples like oil, sugar, and refinded flour — are better than we thought?  We break down four categories of food processing, the latest research on the health ramifications of ultra-processed foods, and what this research means for everyone seeking a healthy, sometimes-but-not-all-the-time relationship with UPF.