I started meditating quite late in life and I would just tell listeners who are older who are maybe interested in these ideas you don't have to start when you're 18 or 21. You can make progress anytime in your life and self-awareness whatever technique she is one of the things that I observed is that I did have more sympathy for other people and their predicaments. recognize this help doesn't exist it was so against our culture particularly in Silicon Valley but there's nothing more techno centric than a guy rowing the boat saying he just needs a motor or if took nicotine he could run a lot of things like that.