Liana Fix, a fellow for Europe at CFR and adjunct professor at Georgetown University, and Matthias Matthijs, a senior fellow for Europe at CFR and associate professor of international political economy at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies, sit down with James M. Lindsay to discuss how governments across Europe are preparing for a second Trump administration. This episode is the fourth in a special TPI series on the U.S. 2025 presidential transition and is supported by the Carnegie Corporation of New York.

Mentioned on the Episode

“A Second China Shock, With Brad Setser,” The President’s Inbox

Liana Fix, “NATO and Ukraine: The Peril of Indecision,” Survival

Liana Fix and Michael Kimmage, “The Ukraine Scenarios,” Foreign Affairs

Matthias Matthijs, “Europe’s Leadership Void,” Survival

For an episode transcript and show notes, visit The President’s Inbox at: https://www.cfr.org/podcasts/tpi/europe-reacts-trumps-victory-liana-fix-and-matthias-matthijs-transition-2025-episode-4