I grew up as a white child in the white suburbs of apartheid South Africa. It was very much a country committed to not engaging with people's difficulty emotions, thoughts and stories. And so that really sparked a lot of work that I do, which is what are some of the narratives that we have in society? They tell us how we should deal with our difficult thoughts, emotions and stories. Those narratives often sound good on the surface. But they actually demean our humanity.They demean our resilience and our capacity to be effective in the world.