Gretchen Rubin: It's important that if we're trying to kind of be ourselves. We might need to think about what the other person likes to and find spots where there's kind of common ground. I wanted you to end just with my favorite story from the book because it just shows how transcendent your experience of life can be even in boring times when you start paying attention to the senses. This was a very uncanny and transcendent moment of my life.

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