How to Get the Desire Amongst Designers to Be Even More Interested in Design Work

We need to communicate better on in all aspects of the work we do. We're not trained for that really as our industry. Jared was saying also at conferences says where are the business workshops? Where do we learn how businesses work so that we can use that competence or knowledge in our design work? It is a good point and lead us to a second point there to finish off on that. How do you how do you get the desire amongst designers to be even interested in that? And that's a great follow up question to Jared in May.