The making and the created are exactly on par. Improvisation is such a wonderful illustration of what i mean, because to improvise, the process of the making and the thing made are one and the same. I would add rust too, just so the listeners get a scope of this. If you take that fundamental principle and then you extrapolate it too. Whene we talked about writing and painting, but sculpting. Alexander callder, the great me i think, and wire, he says, imean sums up so much of what imean.