There are two mountain ranges. One is the Diablo range which has the Pacheco pass, which you currently have to drive over in order to get from San Francisco to the north into the interior of California. And then there's another pass, the Chachapi Mountains, that are to the south of Bakersfield, north of LA. Those are massive engineering problems to try to figure out in terms of being able to run any rail. But they didn't start with the monkeys. They started building flat track and the interior of the line.

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