Sar swiss and Russ haddleston from doc send are here to talk about how they run their companies. Sar swiss: How do you stay on top of your business? Russ Haddleston: I don't like to micre manage, so if you can kind of get everyone on the same page that's a good thing. sar swiss: We keep score based on growth not dollars raised or head count. And especialy when you're trying to scale up engineering it ends at being too confusing.