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And
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he's like, maybe they're right. Like maybe they're right. We have to acknowledge that's possible. But shouldn't we just try this? And I love, you know, like, OK, so we tried
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it. Didn't go so well. What are the lessons we're learning? Apparently the lesson we learned is to have the same people who did a bad job with that strategy, run our strategy in the war in Ukraine, which incidentally, the Washington Post has an amazing like piece all about recriminations. It looks
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like Mark Millie.
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The man who I just want to sorry, I'm doing tangent after tangent. Sorry. That's why we're
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here. Mark Millie is this guy who said and admitted like confessed that he repeatedly called his Chinese counterparts and told them that he would undermine civilian control of the military in the United States and warn them if we were ever to attack them. He confessed to this. And I was thinking about this because a memo went out this
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past weekend to all the Sunday shows to complain that Trump complained about this. And they're like, he said that he said
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that treason had a death penalty associated with it and
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that having, you know, and that this guy calling the Chinese to warn them about our war plans was treasonous. It's
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like, what that word means, you know, like, textmark example there, right?
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Like, it's and it's not just about warning your enemies about your plans. It's also about it's a violation of one of the most important things we have in this country, which is civilian control of the military, you
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know,
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the people control the military. The military doesn't control the people.
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Anyway, Mark Millie, Lloyd
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Austin, they go to the Washington Post and they complain that like the whole failure of Ukraine wasn't that they didn't have a really smart strategy and that they never should have been aching Ukraine to take on Russia. They were admitting that it's been a failure, but they were saying really it's the Ukrainians fault, which just seemed kind of uncool to me that we're making Ukraine do all this and then we're blaming them after they've lost like 150,000
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lives. Okay.
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The lesson learned from the Charles Krauthammer speech is to just keep letting these people run foreign policy, apparently. That's the lesson that DC
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took. Normal people say we shouldn't. Okay.
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So Charles Murray is giving one of these lectures. I really like Charles Murray, do you? Yeah. Okay. So he's talking about the importance of patriotism and for some reason the fact that it was a libertarian opened my mind to being more receptive
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to it. And he was even
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talking about, I think this was that speech. It might have been a different one, the difference between like the declaration and the constitution and how there
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are
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these things that are deep within you that explain who you are as a people and the importance of teaching these things. And I realized we are doing a horrific job with patriotism. And this was however many
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years ago. And
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when there was some like situation with the NFL, this is like far before the insanity of the BLM riots. And someone was claiming that they wouldn't, they were kneeling for the flag. I don't know if it was Colin Kaepernick or
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someone else. And
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Trump had said something about how like really bad this was. And I remember it was like Stephen Hayes or someone like that on special report was defending the NFL or other people for not being patriotic. And it just struck me as like a weird
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moment. Trump is important. This cohesiveness is important. You now
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have things coming out showing that like a ton of people don't want to fight for their country. Well, why would they? What is their country? We're told that it's not really anything. We don't have borders. We don't have ideas that we all share. So
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yeah,
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I have three things to say about what you just said. First of all, the moment I call myself a classic liberal because I even though the shorthand is libertarian, I knew I wasn't a libertarian when I realized that libertarianism was sort of like Marxism and its universal ideals, meaning like people, real libertarians don't believe in borders and countries and things like that. They see everything through the economic lens, nothing through sort of nation states or whatever, really. That's why many don't want a border. And you know, all that. I'm big fan of immigration, but I think that a country has a right to control and do its best for its future with that immigration, whether it means bringing in people they need or want, et cetera. That's the first thing. The second thing I wanted to say was, yeah, at some point in our world, and I think it happened after Gen X, but maybe during Gen X, people got this idea that protesting was like the highest form of patriotism rather than maybe having a family following the rules, you know, paying your taxes, being a good citizen, helping your community in some way. Like the highest form of patriotism was protesting about something. And then that became like disrespecting the flag was the highest form of protest, right? Or patriotism. So now if I'll say like, you know, this person isn't is kneeling when the flag goes up and then they're going to pretend, yeah, that's what America's about, you know, you know, disrespecting the flag or fighting the authorities or this and that. And meanwhile, these same people, of course, want huge state control or matter, you know, about on everything we do, including speech and the economy. So I think there's just this warped sense of what America's about now. And people, and I blame a lot of this on the progressive movement and Barack Obama, tried to change the for the first time Wilson did it too, but changed what patriotism meant in America used to be some kind of shared values between right and left. So yeah, we had our arguments, but you know, we shared a couple of values, speech, you know, to process the Constitution declaration. And now like think about it, they, you know, if they don't, if they would like, I see constantly like, Oh, but Trump lost the popular vote or this one, there is no such thing as the popular vote. It's not they want to change that they want to change how the Supreme Court works. They want to destroy it. They want to change senators. A lot of Democrats don't believe that the two senators for state thing is a good idea. They want direct democracies. And when you say actually we're not a democracy, we're a public, they laugh at you. It's so jazoon and naive. You're so, you know, you're so ridiculous when you mention that. So like even the most basic things that we are rejected by the left right now, I don't have any idea how we got here from Williamsburg, but it's awesome. I know. Um, also on that democracy thing, we have the
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people who
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claim that they are super democratic you've seen them in the name of their party,
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the Democrat
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party are literally trying to remove Donald Trump from the ballot, which is an incredibly anti democratic operation by definition to say people do not get to vote for the person that they want to. They are trying to imprison their political
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opponent. Very anti democratic.
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And right now they're now, um, there seems to be like a coordinated media operation to claim that if Donald Trump were elected,
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he
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would do to other people what they're doing to him. And therefore he's worse than Hitler. Have you followed this at all? I just want to say I'm so impressed by that segue. It's amazing. You're amazing. So you're professional. Um, yeah, I have because we talked about it. Um, sorry. Uh, so let me give you a little bit of a background on this. So I, so the Atlantic magazine, which sort of like, I don't know what to go. Actually, you know, Steven Miller, not the government guy, but like the funnier funny guy. Yeah. He said that I think he said that the Atlantic is like salon with, with an inside voice, which always made me laugh. So they have a, a full issue in it says, if Trump wins and it's got David from an Apple bat, you're on and on all their writers talking about how Trump is going to be a dictator. And apparently the word went out because I pulled up, there's an, it was a long opinion piece by Robert Kagan in the Washington post the other day, a Trump dictatorship is increasingly inevitable. We should stop pretending. Uh, and you know, on and on, there were, there were a few other similar pieces in the Washington post actually. And I think one in the New York Times. So the main concern that many of them have, which you just alluded to or mentioned was that Donald Trump's going to do exactly what they've been to, which makes me laugh. Um, I actually believe Trump rhetorically, at least for sure has kind of an authoritarian air. I'm sorry I do, but the problem is he actually did nothing like that when he was president, as far as I can tell, whereas Joe Biden has abused the justice department, for instance, alone has gone after all kinds of political enemies from traditional Catholic, you know, people to school, people who protest school boards all the way to the leading planet. The lifers, all of Donald Trump's aides. Yeah, it's, it's full on
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dictator style.
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So if I care about so-called democracy, which really only means to Democrats, whatever, you know, policy they support, um, I would be very disturbed about that. And I would mention it before I started talking about Donald Trump, right? Yeah. I would say, listen, we have a really bad, let's say you hate Donald Trump. We have a really bad choice here because he's going to do what Joe Biden has done. And that's going to be horrible, but they never take it to that logical conclusion and it drives me bananas.
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So I have a bunch of things that drive me bananas about this. First off is kind of how we're being drives me bananas. So we just described a justice department and a president who are violating
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every norm, who are, who are running the country as
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if we are the Soviet Union, who are making a mockery of our elections, who are, who are trying to handle political disputes in the worst way possible. And it's not just Biden and the justice department. It's basically Democrats up and down the Eastern seaboard. In New York, you had someone run for office claiming that she would figure out a way to punish Donald Trump for having different politics than she has. And the way she did it is to say, um, he took a loan, he paid a loan and everyone was happy. And somehow this means they're going to take his business away from him and his family. Like this is, this
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is the kind of thing that would make Vladimir Putin blush and be like,
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Hey guys, I think we're being a little bit too much here. And not only are like, not only is nobody saying anything, like no, not only are no Democrats saying anything, no
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one in the media is acting like this is a horrific violation of people's rights. They're just sort
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of like cheering
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it on and they're covering it as a covering it as if it's no big deal.
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And then we now say like,
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Oh, they're saying Donald Trump would be Hitler if he did what they're doing. But what
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I don't hear anyone saying
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is that, or they get mad at the rhetoric being targeted toward Republicans or Donald Trump, but they don't actually identify what's going on on the other side. Like say what you want about the not completely competent Joe Biden every time he's in front of a microphone, he's like bad, MAGA Republican, bad, MAGA Republican.
Terry Lundgren, former CEO of Neiman Marcus and Macy's, has been instrumental in shaping the American retail landscape, but the road to bringing two notoriously competitive retail giants together wasn't easy. How he merged famous department rivals, double-downed on retail, and turned Macy's into the first nationwide department store in the United States.
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