The russians wanted trump to be able to engage on a normal political footing. They couldn't understand why we were always going on and on about 20 16, how meetings would get derailed right away at the very beginning. And i would argue, but that's part of a reaction too. What happens as well when trump trives to privatize ucrane for policy as part of the whole after math of 20 16,. To have ucrane blamed for intervention in some way, to have ecranian leadership open up all kinds of investigations. This way all get so confusing. It's all kind of rooted in this mayhem and this maelstrom of the perfect som of politics and
Fiona Hill is the former Senior Director for Europe and Russia of the National Security Council under President Trump and a key witness in his first impeachment trial. She is Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. In her latest book, There Is Nothing For You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century, she describes her journey from the post-industrial north of England to the world of academia at Harvard and the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.
In this week’s conversation, Fiona Hill and Yascha Mounk discuss the resonance of populism for working class voters, remaining true to principle in the Trump administration, and the future of Great Power conflict.
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