The Good Fight

Fiona Hill on the Working Class, Populism, and Russia

Jan 8, 2022

Fiona Hill, a former Senior Director for Europe and Russia on the National Security Council and key impeachment witness, shares her remarkable journey from a coal town in England to the halls of power in Washington. She discusses the rise of populism and its resonance with working-class voters, as well as her experiences navigating the tumultuous Trump administration. Hill reflects on the impact of Russian interference in U.S. politics and emphasizes the need for integrity and global cooperation in a rapidly changing world.

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Intro

5min

From Coal Town to National Politics

11min

From Working Class Roots to Academic Aspirations: A Personal Journey

6min

Navigating Class and Race: A Personal Journey Across Borders

5min

Populism and Performance

6min

Navigating the Chaos: Insights from the Trump Administration

29min

Fiona Hill is the former Senior Director for Europe and Russia of the National Security Council under President Trump and a key witness in his first impeachment trial. She is Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution. In her latest book, There Is Nothing For You Here: Finding Opportunity in the Twenty-First Century, she describes her journey from the post-industrial north of England to the world of academia at Harvard and the corridors of power in Washington, D.C.

In this week’s conversation, Fiona Hill and Yascha Mounk discuss the resonance of populism for working class voters, remaining true to principle in the Trump administration, and the future of Great Power conflict.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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