I know there's people hearing this who are thinking like, i'm not even sure where i'm going in my carer. I would say this is probably one of the greatest scepticisms that i hear around this visioning part ad. And here's here's how to break through that scepticism. Start with the dream and then to bring the dream into focus. Trying to understand what size company some one envisions themselves in. It's really important to get underneath what kind of environment they envision themselves in. There are lots of people in secd industry that can't imagine being in any other industry. So i think it's important to just try to get that out on the table

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