The verdict is in and Donald Trump was found guilty on all 34 counts in the hush money trial. Skye Jethani and David French discuss the political implications of the guilty verdict. While neither believe the verdict will have any impact on Trump’s base, David thinks it could erode support among supporters on the bubble, but Skye remains unconvinced. Then, they discuss how we should address the legacies of historical heroes who left behind complex and sometimes troubling legacies. Is it appropriate to honor and celebrate certain aspects of these figures, or should their significant flaws compel us to dismiss them entirely? Plus, Skye and David talk about their new favorite tv show, Shogun.

0:00 - Theme Song

0:18 - Episode Starts

0:47 - Trump Verdict

7:27 - Who’s Actually Energizing Their Base?

16:22 - Justice Alito and the Flag

23:08 - The Politics of Officials Flying Flags

29:47 - The Complexity of American Historical Figures

41:40 - Facing the Sins of the Fathers Through Maturity

47:06 - Shogun and Cultural Divide

1:01:10 - End Credits

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