I can sense much more of your introversion than the first time we met when you were giving an unbelievably charismatic animated talk and which is so interesting right. I'm a fairly introverted person who does better with scripts and giving a lecture is a pretty structured script and having sort of an academic persona or whatever is a another version of it as well what year did you become a full professor at Stanford it was 33 or something early 90s? You live in San Francisco so you're not making that commute every day I hope but I did for about a quarter century yeah that'll that'll hurt the cortisol levels won't it, he says. He wrote half his book writing was on the train there

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