And maybe this is why these conversations can be a bit a bit confusing is I think that a lot of stuff from the world of bodybuilding sports and athletics in general actually has been sort of adopted by a general population that's not very that's not very active. So, you know, the sort of if it fits your macros idea is very much from like, you know, bodybuilding, especially in the in the 2000s. It kind of came from these internet forums where, you know, if you're a if you're a young man who's in the gym, lifting weights four or five times a week and you're, you know, training, burning all the building up your lean body mass, your, you know, your body can kind of turn into a furnace, you know, my body's like a like a furnace these days, right? It just kind of, I could eat that thousand calories of ice cream every single day and I don't get fat, right? And I'm not someone who even naturally, I've never been skinny a day in my life, right? I mean, 20 years ago, I weighed more 20 years ago than I weigh now, right? I was I was overweight as a teen. But now the way my body responds to food and even quote unquote junk food, again, as long as it's like in, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't base my entire diet around it. But it's basically it's my body's a lot more forgiving, I think, than the average person is because of all the time I spend in the gym and all my training and whatever. But I guess I am aware myself at least, even as someone who, you know, a lot of people ask for advice on training and diet, I'm aware that the average person, the average Brit or the average American or the average Canadian or whatever is not lifting all the weights that I'm lifting and training the way that they don't have my level of insulin sensitivity. They also don't have a decade plus of mostly doing intermittent fasting, which I guess is, I don't know exactly what's going on within my body, but I'm aware that it's not like it's not average. It's not the norm. So I'm quite cautious personally that just because if something works for me, that doesn't necessarily mean it's great advice for someone who's sitting in an office eight hours a day and is not lifting weights and doesn't have, you know, a lower body fat percentage and a lot of muscle and whatever. So I think I think maybe that's where some of the confusion has happened because I think the those ideas, you know, if it fits your macros, you know, just, you know, a calories a calorie, a lot of that a lot of that stuff is it's a lot more relevant to people who are just very, yeah, very, very active or have significantly above average levels of lean body mass compared to fat mass and so on. But I think that it's a bad idea for the gender role population to adopt those beliefs. Just like, again, if you're, you know, if you're eating six, seven, the six, seven meals a day thing, I mean, most bodybuilder bros, honestly, still still do that and they look fine and it works fine for them. But if you're the average Joe and you start adopting those same eating patterns, then yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna get fat because you don't have anything counteracting, counteracting that constant flood of calories that you're getting and your body's obviously not gonna turn into lean body mass because you're not even giving it the physical training stimulus in order for it to do so.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, it really depends on your situation and but this idea that a calorie is a calorie for people who are very highly active, it's probably true. Yeah, because you're just going through so many, it just goes through, yeah, it just goes through you. So it really matters very little if you're taking a lot of carbs, like they used to carb load remember that whole, you know, in the 90s, it's like, oh, but carb load was funny of course. I don't know if you remember, but I used to be really into like triathlon and stuff. So this was in the 80s and 90s of carb loading was so I did my share of carb loading. It was, you know, before meal, you carb load. And then of course he started hearing about bonking. I don't know if it's still time. But that was in term and triathlon where your body is just completely runs out of fuel and you can

barely walk

because you're so fueled up on carbs, you couldn't actually access your body fat.