It's Not Black and White in the Objective Sense

There's usually some business driver there it depends on who you're talking to if it's the IT guy or the human resources talent experience person but yeah sometimes it can feel a little bit just like okay let's let's validate what you think you need to do is what you actually need to do and that's part of the outcome is confidence in that. If you can get good at that white conversation you'll find out what what they're trying to change  and then if you think you can do it then then you go do itYeah so it's it's totally not black and white but it is objectively but it is subjectively, he says.