
There Is No Planet B, with Mike Berners-Lee and Matthew Taylor
Intelligence Squared
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Pragmatism and Idealism in Sustainability
This chapter explores the dual approaches to sustainability, discussing the importance of pragmatic investments to prevent environmental crises alongside an idealistic vision of a sustainable future. It emphasizes the urgency of addressing climate change, the need for accountability in political discourse, and the significance of egalitarian decision-making processes like Citizens' Assemblies. The conversation also examines the complexities of transforming public thinking toward collective environmental action.
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