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The chapter features an ad for NAC, a tool for enterprise email building, followed by an interview with a design agency CEO discussing their unique career path from art school to advising SaaS companies.
In this episode, Dave is joined by Eli Rubel. Eli is the CEO of Matter Made and NoBoringDesign and a Marketing Advisor for companies like Dropbox and Loom.
Eli discusses how companies that take risks with their design and go outside the brand guidelines will stand out in the sea of sameness and drive more pipeline. He also discusses
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Today's episode brought to you by Navattic.
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Their report breaks down the top-performing demos, why ungated demos drive higher engagement and the best use cases and strategies for making them work.
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