Haley Glover, Senior Director of UpSkill America at the Aspen Institute, is on a mission to build a world where skills—not degrees or pedigrees—are the primary currency of career opportunity.

In this expansive conversation, she challenges organizations to think bigger, arguing that investing in frontline workers isn't just a corporate responsibility but a societal imperative that strengthens communities and economies alike.

Glover shares her vision for a future where "all learning counts," and individuals own their skills data, freeing it from the silos of employers and academic institutions.

Listen in for a dose of realistic optimism on one of the most complex—and human—challenges in the world of work today.

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[00:00] Intro.
[03:34] Why skills are a societal issue, not just a corporate one.
[13:31] Building a realistic ROI case for skills investments.
[19:32] The "All Learning Counts" vision for skills recognition.
[24:01] Why the next decade of skills innovation will be "messy."
[27:56] The cultural blockades preventing a skills-first hiring revolution.
[36:11] The evolving role and responsibility of the employer.
[42:25] A real-world example of a company getting it right.

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