i care a lot about you, and i know we've been arguing about this, but it's cause i'm scared. I don't want five tenurs down the line for you to be another case. And that's what real curiosity is. Real curiosity means you're not just like, sort of, you know, watching your watch while the other person talks. It's you're actually learning something. The conversation doesn't presuppose which of us is right and wrong. We have such different ideas about how to get there. But we do really want different things, that seems like it.

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