Claire Hughes Johnson (Google, Stripe) discusses her new book Scaling People: Tactics for Management and Company Building. Claire talks about why she thinks vulnerability is so powerful, the pitfalls of transparency in leadership, how to build systems by building trust, and the difference between management and leadership.

LINKS & MENTIONS FROM THIS EPISODE

“Scaling People” by Claire Hughes Johnson https://press.stripe.com/scaling-people 

Read “The Messy Marketplace” by Brent Beshore https://www.amazon.com/Messy-Marketplace-Selling-Business-Imperfect/dp/0998030007/ref=sr_1_1?crid=188DH4FFMN8IX&keywords=messy+marketplace&qid=1682524629&sprefix=messy+mark%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-1

Listen to “The Messy Marketplace” (episode 1 of the Permanent Podcast feed)  https://www.permanentequity.com/themessymarketplacepodcast/introduction-a-note-from-the-author 

Claire mentions “Bury My Heart at Conference Room B” by Stan Slap https://www.amazon.com/Bury-Heart-Conference-Room-Unbeatable/dp/1591843243/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1682524772&sr=8-1 

David mentions “Raising Emotionally Strong Boys” by David Thomas https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Emotionally-Strong-David-Thomas/dp/0764240714/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1682524959&sr=8-1 

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CONNECT

Claire on twitter https://twitter.com/chughesjohnson

Claire on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/claire-hughes-johnson-7058/

Brent on twitter https:/https://twitter.com/BrentBeshore

Brent on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/brentbeshore 

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro & Who Is Claire?

2:08 “This One Scales to 11”

4:08 Why Write “Scaling People?”

13:08 One of Claire’s Most Pivotal Moments as a Manager

22:12 Transparency: Virtue or Vice?

28:22 The Challenges of Managing PEOPLE

36:38 The Power of Being Vulnerable

46:42 Why Dachshunds Are the Funniest Dogs

51:26 How Have Your Motivations Changed Over Time?

55:36 The Difference Between a Strong Manager and a True Leader

57:55 Why a Business Stays Small

1:06:35 How to Build Kindness Into Company Culture

1:10:45 Who Would You Send This Podcast To?

1:11:52 Legal Disclaimer

EPISODE CREDITS

Produced by David Cover

Additional editing & mastering by Ryan Lipman

Intro music by David Cover, Andy Freeman, Rhett Johnson, & Andrew Luley

Outro music by Jees Guy

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