Escalate-to-Deescalate: China’s Leverage Play

Jon Czin spent years as a top China analyst at the CIA, served as China Director on Biden’s National Security Council, and now works at the Brookings Institution. We talk through:

• Xi, Trump, and what drove the roller coaster of US-China relations in 2025
• Why it feels too quiet right now and what could get this train off the rails in 2026

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