How to Deal With Grief in a Small Place

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I had this beautiful pad in London, but it was too small. I couldn't see my grief dissipating or my loners or the things that like a lot of past traumas were coming up. So I found this place that was really unique and it was an old shop built into a cliff in Ramen's gate. And then I got a cap masked up just before lockdown, because I wanted to be in like within,. have a screen between myself and the driver packed my stuff for three hours and went and just went to live in a cliff.

Welcome to the Wintering Sessions with Katherine May.

This week Katherine chats to Gemma Cairney, presenter, curator of greatness and author of ‘Open: A Toolkit...’ and more.

There's a strong chance you're familiar with Gemma through her prolific radio and broadcast career, but if not - as you've surely come to notice over the Wintering podcast - you're about to meet another new best friend. Gemma's been grinding and hustling since the early days of her media work which kicked off at the BBC, and Katherine checks in with her at a point in her life where so many of the experiences along the way are truly forming some epic life chapters which have to be heard. What you'll hear in this episode is a spirit of turning lemons not only into lemonade, but an amazing lemon salad dressing as well as some incredible lemon jewellery too. From a whirlwind which synchronised around the time of the early days of the pandemic, this is a glorious and uplifting chat where we find Gemma at a reflective, wise and refreshed place. You'll enjoy it as a fan of Gemma or as a newly acquainted listener - and in either case, have a look at what she's been up to in case you've missed anything (including a ton of sea swimming of course). Wintering Sessions listeners, please enjoy!

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