Outro

This episode was originally released March 9th for Death Panel patrons. To support the show and help make episodes like this one possible, become a patron at https://www.patreon.com/deathpanelpod Beatrice speaks with Mariame Kaba and Andrea Ritchie about how we should understand the spectacular violence of Trump’s ICE surges as an extension of the violence of everyday policing, lessons in resisting proposed “reforms” that would actually give more power to ICE, and how community care and community defense help build a world toward abolition. Show links: We're testing out a new Bookshop.org page (still under construction), where you can find books by past guests and book recommendations from the hosts. Find it here: https://bookshop.org/shop/deathpanel Get Health Communism here: https://bookshop.org/a/118130/9781839765179 Outro by Time Wharp: https://timewharp.bandcamp.com/track/tezeta