Nate zinzer: This is called life. It's an endurance event. You got to keep up the pace. We're in it for the long term, folks. And again, i love that it's not towards certainty, it's towards a sense of certainty. There's a big difference between those two things. I hope your listeners have gotten a lot out of this interview and i would love to point people to where they can find out more about the work that you're doing.

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