Arguments for the Incompatibility of Determinism and Freedom

i think there are three such interesting arguments worth taking seriously, what you would call source incompatible. One is that established determinism is incompatible freedom for reasons other than questions about the ability to do otherwise. And so i'll just again, you've already had parabom discuss it in an earlier episode, so i'll fly through quick description. The manipulation argument is the best of those. Any agent manipulated like that doesn't act freely and isn't responsible. Next premise, determinism is no different an being manipulated in that way in any relevant respect. So any agent who's determined is no different from the manipulated agent who has ree. That's the rough style of the argument, ok