Is full economic decoupling between US and China realistic?

Global trade isn’t just an economic story - it’s a test of power, pride, and patience. Jacob and Marko dive into the illusion of U.S.-China decoupling, exploring how power, dependency, and ideology are colliding in a world too connected to pull apart. From semiconductor choke points to rare earth retaliation, the United States and China are caught in a feedback loop of control and dependency that neither can fully escape. The cousins challenge the myth of economic sovereignty and ask what it really means to compete when every side still depends on the other to function.

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Timestamps:

(00:00) - Introduction

(00:38) - Basketball Banter and Podcast Dynamics

(01:31) - Ryan Russillo's Move to Barstool Sports

(04:31) - US-China Trade Relations and Rare Earth Elements

(13:30) - Bureaucratic Inertia and US Foreign Policy

(17:45) - Technological Decoupling and Global Trade

(21:04) - Geopolitical Realities and Future Predictions

(40:15) - Allies and Economic Dependencies

(41:30) - American Public Opinion on Trade and China

(48:04) - Generational Differences in Political Activism

(50:02) - Global Protests and Political Unrest

(01:05:31) - Emergence of New Political Brands

(01:12:38) - Cocaine and Global Trade

(01:16:53) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Jacob Shapiro is a speaker, consultant, author, and researcher covering global politics and affairs, economics, markets, technology, history, and culture. He speaks to audiences of all sizes around the world, helps global multinationals make strategic decisions about political risks and opportunities, and works directly with investors to grow and protect their assets in today’s volatile global environment. His insights help audiences across industries like finance, agriculture, and energy make sense of the world.

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Marko Papic is a macro and geopolitical expert at BCA Research, a global investment research firm. He provides in-depth analysis that combines geopolitics and markets in a framework called GeoMacro. He is also the author of Geopolitical Alpha: An Investment Framework for Predicting the Future.

Marko’s Book & Newsletter: www.geopoliticalalpha.com/marko-papic

Marko’s Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marko-papic-geopolitics/

Marko’s Twitter: https://x.com/Geo_papic

Marko’s Macro & Geopolitical Research at BCA: https://www.bcaresearch.com/marketing/geomacro