The ways we work and the ways that we teach people to work do feel not intuitive sometimes, or non tradition sometimes. When they first start to wade into new ways of working, i often do feel like the precursor to your point is people just be like, fuck. We've tried everything. I'm out of idea. You got a sir, you take a swing at it and i'm like, this is time for he got otri something that historically you would have had enough ego to reject. But now your ego is like exhausted, and yours like, i don't know. Just tell me, just tell me what to do."

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