I think there's a big disconnect when it comes to language, like that people are speaking kind of a different language. How do you find the UX people and product people getting on the same page so that they can actually communicate better? Is it just a matter of spending time together? Is there any thing you've seen that's really helped speed that along? Yeah. I try my best and I try to coach my product managers to try their best to avoid all the keywords and the special meanings. And then the other thing really important for every team is we should do some bonding that's not about the work.

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