Speaker 2
are the toughest parts about being a leader for sure. You've got some experience under your belt. You go through the DLC for the first game, you direct the second game. I'm a little unclear. So excuse me if I don't have this right, but my understanding is that. Ghost wire and hi-fi rush kind of started at the same time. And you, you didn't, you didn't work on a ghost wire.
Speaker 1
So ghost wire was sort of already in that sort of pre-production phase while actually evil within two was, was going on. So, so when we finished up evil within two, we knew that that was next in line. Okay. Because I really want to transition to talking about hi-fi rush and
Speaker 2
I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, my history is inter liberties because you have two Sour CasterMP Alley for games where you make up for pre forgot a professional music career, but that's another, that's another different podcast. Tell me just a little bit about the importance of music to you so we can kind of have that thread going into PIFI.
Speaker 1
Yeah, it's just, I mean, I really don't know, anyone who music hasn't been a part of their life in some part, but for me, I've just always been not just listening but playing music. You know, when you're in elementary school, the kind of force you to learn instrument. At least, I don't know if you had the experience, but at least you bring up. And I played the alto saxophone and I played it in ours, our school symphonic band. And I joined, we had actually a jazz band. It was kind of this cool thing that we did it like at night. You know, it was official, it wasn't like a sort of scrappy type thing. And it was kind of my first foray into like not as extreme as the movie Whiplash, but that type of vibe where our conductor was very sort of, he's gonna give you harsh criticisms and things like that and cut you off and just yell at you if you're like a couple of seconds late type thing. It was kind of that, again, it's weird sort of like trial by fire, but like not as extreme as that movie. So I'm not saying we were like harassed. I'm like that.
