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Francisco Toto and Joshua Coleman talk about the Brazilian election. The country is incredibly polarized now, heading into a second round of voting on October 30th. What drove the rise in the number of people who were estranged from their families? We had a far-ranging conversation trying to understand when estrangement might be positive.

Joshua Coleman is a psychologist and senior fellow at the Council on Contemporary Families. He is the author of Rules of Estrangement: Why Adult Children Cut Ties and How to Heal the Conflict.

In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Joshua Coleman discuss why there is a growing number of estrangements between parents and their adult children, how political identification has increasingly become a source of family conflict, and the best strategies for how estranged parents and adult children can heal their relationships.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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